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	<title>Comments on: Logic Puzzle: Truth Tellers and Deceivers</title>
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		<title>By: cjc</title>
		<link>http://www.cjc.org/blog/archives/2004/01/22/logic-puzzle-truth-tellers-and-deceivers/comment-page-1/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator>cjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2004 03:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if this puzzle is more complicated.  The original puzzle required you to form a question to ask and elicit a response that would be useful.  I think it&#039;s relatively hard to come up with a good question.

The puzzle you propose can be solved by, say, drawing a diagram and mapping out the relatively limited set of possibilities.  As the only variable is what #1 said, let&#039;s consider what he said:

You ask him if he tells the truth.  If he is a truth-teller, he&#039;ll answer &quot;Yes&quot;.  If he&#039;s a liar, he&#039;ll answer &quot;Yes&quot; also.  So #1 will always answer yes to your question.  Consider #2, then, who says that #1 answered &quot;Yes&quot;.  #2 is a truth-teller, otherwise he would have said &quot;No&quot;.  Lastly, consider #3 who says that #1 is a liar.  If #1 is a liar, then #3 is a truth-teller.  If #1 is a truth-teller, then #3 is a liar.  So, while it&#039;s not possible to determine whether #1 or #3 is the liar, we can say for sure that there are two truth-tellers and one liar in that group.

As noted, I feel this is less complicated because all the information is all there, and it&#039;s just a matter of working through the possibilities.  The original puzzle, on the other hand, required invention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this puzzle is more complicated.  The original puzzle required you to form a question to ask and elicit a response that would be useful.  I think it&#8217;s relatively hard to come up with a good question.</p>
<p>The puzzle you propose can be solved by, say, drawing a diagram and mapping out the relatively limited set of possibilities.  As the only variable is what #1 said, let&#8217;s consider what he said:</p>
<p>You ask him if he tells the truth.  If he is a truth-teller, he&#8217;ll answer &#8220;Yes&#8221;.  If he&#8217;s a liar, he&#8217;ll answer &#8220;Yes&#8221; also.  So #1 will always answer yes to your question.  Consider #2, then, who says that #1 answered &#8220;Yes&#8221;.  #2 is a truth-teller, otherwise he would have said &#8220;No&#8221;.  Lastly, consider #3 who says that #1 is a liar.  If #1 is a liar, then #3 is a truth-teller.  If #1 is a truth-teller, then #3 is a liar.  So, while it&#8217;s not possible to determine whether #1 or #3 is the liar, we can say for sure that there are two truth-tellers and one liar in that group.</p>
<p>As noted, I feel this is less complicated because all the information is all there, and it&#8217;s just a matter of working through the possibilities.  The original puzzle, on the other hand, required invention.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Pearlman</title>
		<link>http://www.cjc.org/blog/archives/2004/01/22/logic-puzzle-truth-tellers-and-deceivers/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Pearlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a more interesting and complicated liar/truth teller puzzle:

In a certain land, the inhabitants are only one type or the other.  You meet three of them.  You ask # 1 if he tels the truth.  You don&#039;t hear what he responds (&quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot;).  Number 2 says that # 1 responded, &quot;Yes.&quot; (&quot;I tell the truth&quot;).  Number 3 says that # 1 is, in fact a liar.  The question to solve is, &quot;(based on just the above information), &quot;How many of each are there?&quot;

Email me if you think you&#039;ve gotten the answer and explain what your reasoning was or if you want the correct answer and reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a more interesting and complicated liar/truth teller puzzle:</p>
<p>In a certain land, the inhabitants are only one type or the other.  You meet three of them.  You ask # 1 if he tels the truth.  You don&#8217;t hear what he responds (&#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221;).  Number 2 says that # 1 responded, &#8220;Yes.&#8221; (&#8220;I tell the truth&#8221;).  Number 3 says that # 1 is, in fact a liar.  The question to solve is, &#8220;(based on just the above information), &#8220;How many of each are there?&#8221;</p>
<p>Email me if you think you&#8217;ve gotten the answer and explain what your reasoning was or if you want the correct answer and reasoning.</p>
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